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Council Tax Banding

Started by: First Mate (2398)

Isn't it time to re evaluate the way council tax has been assessed? Driving by a property to asses it was never a good idea.

Started: 1st Feb 2024 at 11:03

Posted by: PeterP (11341)

First mate opposite were I live are ex council houses and every one of them has had extensions built both single and double storey but all of the houses are in tax band "A". On our side 6 bungalows are in tax band"B" but our bungalow is in tax band "C" because there is a small kitchen extension on the back of it So why was our bungalow put into a higher band than our neighbours but across the road none of the properties have moved up any tax bands

Replied: 1st Feb 2024 at 11:58

Posted by: First Mate (2398)

Peterp, as Martin Lewis says challenge it.

Martin Lewis

Replied: 1st Feb 2024 at 12:28

Posted by: gaffer (7972) 

Council tax bands are based on the property value at 1st April 1991. Any extension built since that date won’t change the tax band. The next revaluation will incorporate any changes since 1991.

Replied: 1st Feb 2024 at 13:48

Posted by: First Mate (2398)

Replied: 1st Feb 2024 at 14:06

Posted by: ena malcup (4151) 

int paper
(There's a paywall, but can see on MSN bowt paywall.)

Replied: 2nd Feb 2024 at 16:47

Posted by: whups (13294) 

why shud,nt single people be paying 50% like the rest instead of 75% ? .

Replied: 2nd Feb 2024 at 23:34

Posted by: First Mate (2398)

Posted by: whups (12934) View whups's page
why shud,nt single people be paying 50% like the rest instead of 75% ? .
Replied: 2nd Feb 2024 at 23:34
Not sure what you mean by "paying 50% like the rest"

Some of the services you pay for. You don't get lesser services if you live on your own

Education: Funding for local schools and educational facilities.
Social Services: Support for vulnerable individuals, including elderly care, child protection, and disability services.
Waste Collection and Recycling: Garbage collection, recycling programs, and waste management.
Street Cleaning and Maintenance: Keeping public spaces tidy and well-maintained.
Parks and Recreation: Maintenance of parks, playgrounds, and green spaces.
Libraries and Cultural Services: Funding for local libraries, museums, and cultural events.
Emergency Services:

Police: Funding for local law enforcement.
Fire and Rescue Services: Support for firefighting and emergency response.

Replied: 3rd Feb 2024 at 10:30
Last edited by First Mate: 3rd Feb 2024 at 11:27:05

Posted by: whups (13294) 

if couples pay it between them they pay 50% each unlike anyone single who all they get is a 25% discount which equates to a 75% payment .

Replied: 3rd Feb 2024 at 14:13

Posted by: gaffer (7972) 

Whups the Community Charge, aka the Poll Tax, was based on individuals. It was scrapped because of the widespread resistance to it. If it was in force you would be paying less
Council tax is based on property values as at April 1991 with a discount for single occupancy.

Replied: 3rd Feb 2024 at 15:11
Last edited by gaffer: 3rd Feb 2024 at 20:56:27

Posted by: PeterP (11341)

First mate I did challenge it and the council did a google map of the area to compere bandings but in the end I was still in band "C"

Replied: 3rd Feb 2024 at 20:50

Posted by: whups (13294) 

that doesnt answer the question does it gaffer . if there are husband & wife they pay it between them at 50% each but if someone single live next door they pay 75% how is this fair ? .

Replied: 3rd Feb 2024 at 23:48

Posted by: Tommy Two Stroke (15459)

PeterP

All of the residential property in the country needs to be 'revalued'

Whupsy

It doesn't work that way, a husband and wife are not billed at 50% each, they are 'jointly' responsible for the 100% Council Tax, as are other adult occupants of the property LINK

Replied: 4th Feb 2024 at 14:29
Last edited by Tommy Two Stroke: 4th Feb 2024 at 14:33:14

Posted by: First Mate (2398)

Using Whup's logic
If a single occupants income is more than the couple next door, who don't claim any benefits but are in the same band, the couple next door pay the full whack, while the single person gets a 25% discount.

If a married couple have 3 adult children living at home and the 3 children leave and the wife dies or walks out the one that's left should only pay 20% of the council tax, whups is short changing himself by wanting to pay 50%

Replied: 4th Feb 2024 at 14:53
Last edited by First Mate: 4th Feb 2024 at 15:09:07

Posted by: Tommy Two Stroke (15459)

It is a yooneek phenomenon, known as 'Whupsy Logic'

Replied: 4th Feb 2024 at 21:13

Posted by: cheshirecat (1061) 

Posted by: gaffer (7877)
"the Community Charge, aka the Poll Tax, was based on individuals. It was scrapped because of the widespread resistance to it"

That is absolutely correct, Gaffer.
I for one was totally against it at the time because there were more occupants in our house and our bill would have shot up!
But now we are down to the bare bones, looking back, the poll tax would suit me now!
It was a double edged sword at the time, and probably still is.

Replied: 4th Feb 2024 at 22:14

Posted by: Tommy Two Stroke (15459)

As regards the Community Charge, it was a long long time ago (in a galaxy far far away) but the Conservatives said or planned or lied about, the Community Charge, by saying that the charge would be about £80 a year per person, but and I am not sure about this figure, the actual charge was more like £300 a year, so you could have had something like a terraced house with four occupants, say mum, dad, and two grown up children who are both working, and annual rates bill for the house was about £180, so with the introduction of the community charge, instead of paying £180 a year, the household would be paying £1200 a year (4 X £300) and that was what all the rioting and trouble was about.

The Conservatives blamed the Local Councils, particularly Labour Councils for setting an high rate of Community Charge, and the rest is history, and it led to the downfall of Margaret Thatcher.

Replied: 4th Feb 2024 at 23:12

Posted by: whups (13294) 

logic dictates that if there,s 2 in the house they pay it between them which is 50% each . so wot if the next doors income is 2 wages at say £600 pw & the pensioner next door is on his or her oap at around £200 pw & pays 75% is that fair ? .

Replied: 4th Feb 2024 at 23:53

Posted by: Domin0 (626)

What if the single person earns more than the couple next door.

Replied: 5th Feb 2024 at 09:31

Posted by: Tommy Two Stroke (15459)

Yoo are dealing with Whupsy logic

Replied: 5th Feb 2024 at 09:57

Posted by: whups (13294) 

wot if they dont .

Replied: 5th Feb 2024 at 11:41

Posted by: gaffer (7972) 

Wigan Metro council revenue from Council tax £143 million. Over 18’s population 261,000.
‘Poll tax’ per over 18’s = £548.
It would be slightly higher in practice to cover the cost of exemptions arising from non earners such as students.

Replied: 5th Feb 2024 at 11:49

Posted by: whups (13294) 

that doesnt help anyone paying the 75% does it . why is it just the singles that get done ? .

Replied: 5th Feb 2024 at 14:43

Posted by: ena malcup (4151) 

People seem to be more tolerant of the so-called 'sin taxes', ie booze, tobacco, and such like.

Over the last three decades, the money spent on gambling has become massive.

Should the government put some effort into getting a portion of this expenditure by taxation? After all, people are mostly throwing away money, in the hope of benefiting, against the odds. So, you would be taking the dosh from the gambling industry, which is doing better than other sectors of the economy. The punters are not going to notice the difference.

Replied: 5th Feb 2024 at 19:56

Posted by: whups (13294) 

how about taxing those who send their money out of the country & pay nowt .

Replied: 5th Feb 2024 at 23:40

 

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